The Staff and Crew at flightadventures would like to invite you all to participate in the VPC Flight Rally #9 taking place on Sunday 13th October 2002 to Ferihegy - Budapest - Hungary - LHBP.

ATIS 117.30 124.65
Ground 121.90
Tower 118.10
Approach 129.70 119.50

Altitude 492 ft
Mag Variation -2.0 Deg

ILS/GS/DME Rwy 13L BPL 111.70 @ 27 nm Approach Course 130 deg
ILS/GS/DME Rwy 13R FER 110.50 @ 27 nm Approach Course 130 deg
ILS/GS/DME Rwy 31L FHL 111.50 @ 27 nm Approach Course 310 deg
ILS/GS/DME Rwy 31R BPR 109.50 @ 27 nm Approach Course 310 deg

Have a safe and enjoyable flight and hope to see you all on the ramp by 20:00 BSTand in the Pilots Lounge for the usual chat afterwards.

Regards,

James (CONman) Anderson
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• RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally #9,Guido_Ostkamp, 22:07z, 10-12-02
  • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,James, 22:56z, 10-12-02
    • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,Mike_Greenwood, 02:56z, 10-13-02
      • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,AlanParkinson, 21:14z, 10-13-02
        • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,Vulcan, 22:01z, 10-13-02
        • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,Mike_Greenwood, 00:01z, 10-14-02
          • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,AlanParkinson, 10:07z, 10-14-02
            • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,vgbaron, 15:58z, 10-14-02
            • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,TD, 20:21z, 10-16-02
            • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,Mike_Greenwood, 02:44z, 10-17-02
              • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,Emile, 05:39z, 10-17-02
          • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,James, 20:33z, 10-14-02
    • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,Guido_Ostkamp, 19:42z, 10-13-02
      • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,Ben_Chiu, 22:00z, 10-13-02
        • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,Guido_Ostkamp, 19:27z, 10-14-02
          • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,Ben_Chiu, 20:11z, 10-14-02
      • RE: ANNOUNCEMENT - VPC Flight Rally...,James, 20:33z, 10-14-02

Hi James (and others),

> Have a safe and enjoyable flight and hope to see you all on the ramp by
> 20:00 BSTand in the Pilots Lounge for the usual chat afterwards.

can someone translate the "BST" into "UTC", please?

Thanks,

Guido

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Hi Guido,

If I'm right <LOL> then BST 20:00 is 19:00 UTC/Zulu

Regards,

James (CONman) Anderson
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Hi James,

>>If I'm right <LOL> then BST 20:00 is 19:00 UTC/Zulu<<

<sigh> Not to drum up this age old discussion again <g>, but doesn't BST=UTC/ZULU and BDT (which I think you're in now)=UTC/ZULU+1 ?

--Greenie
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Hi Greenie,

> <sigh> Not to drum up this age old discussion again <g>, but doesn't
> BST=UTC/ZULU and BDT (which I think you're in now)=UTC/ZULU+1 ?

NO, NO, NO, NO!

Just because that bunch of clowns at Microsoft who wrote the Windows clock/calendar say that we use something called GMT Daylight Time in summer, doesn't make it true.

In the winter we use GMT, which is the true solar time on the meridian which passes through Greenwich - this is Zulu.
In summer, we wind the clocks forward by one hour to use British Summer Time, so BST= Zulu +1

Sighs all round, but I just had to rise to the bait you dangled! <G>

Alan

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Well said Alan <GG>

It would be some much easier if all this daylight saving nonsense was scrapped.

IIRC it started in the UK during the war (not sure which <g>) to help the farmers but how I haven't a clue. At the end of the day (sorry for the pun) you only get a certain amount of daylight on any given day no matter how you play around with our 'artificial' time.

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>>NO, NO, NO, NO!<<

AAAAAAACK! I'll never get it right! I do know what time it is here though <g>.

>>In summer, we wind the clocks forward by one hour to use British Summer
Time, so BST= Zulu +1<<

Wait, I think I've got it now...it's a matter of what the abbreviation *means*. I thought that BST was like our PST: British *STANDARD* Time, like our Pacific *STANDARD* Time, which we use in the winter. In the summer we use PDT (Pacific *DAYLIGHT* Time), So I assumed that you used BDT (British DAYLIGHT Time) in the summer.

Clear as mud now <g>.

--Greenie
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Hi Greenie,

> Wait, I think I've got it now...it's a matter of what the abbreviation
> *means*. I thought that BST was like our PST: British *STANDARD* Time,
> like our Pacific *STANDARD* Time, which we use in the winter. In the
> summer we use PDT (Pacific *DAYLIGHT* Time), So I assumed that you used
> BDT (British DAYLIGHT Time) in the summer.

That nicely opens the floor for another debate - whether US English is the correct English, or English English ...

(I'll not get into that eternal argument just now, though)

Alan

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>
> That nicely opens the floor for another debate - whether US English is
> the correct English, or English English ...

I dunno - I awways tawt youse guys tawked funny.

<g>

vic

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"
That nicely opens the floor for another debate - whether US English is the correct English, or English English ...
"

Of course it is. Majority rules. After all, what other language came up with the cornecopia of food like: pizza, hot dog, brats, hamburgers, huevos rancheros, and gyros...

"TD - Virtual FAA investigators are on line 2, AGAIN!!!"

>>That nicely opens the floor for another debate - whether US English is
the correct English, or English English ...<<

Like they say...Two great countries separated by a common language. <vbg>

--Greenie
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Hi Mike,

>Like they say...Two great countries separated by a common
>language. <vbg>

Oh ! I like this one ....

Regards
Emile
EBBR Brussels
Belgium

Yo Mike,

>> Clear as mud now <g>. <<

Ha ha, then enlighten me <BG> Nope, in other words just let it die a natural death <LOL>

Regards,

James (CONman) Anderson
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Hi James,

> If I'm right <LOL> then BST 20:00 is 19:00 UTC/Zulu

If BST means "British Summer Time", that is your current
time, I assume that is true.

Unfortunately I have just done the flight and entered the
chatroom this evening to find that nobody was in there.
After waiting some time, I eventually detected, that
somebody has cancelled the event in the special announcement
window just this morning. However, I ignore the announcement
window most of the time.

May I suggest that you add an additional posting in the
message area when this occurs again? Thanks.

Anyway, here is my flight report:

I went from Munich to Ferihegy in a Tradewind Domestic
Mailservice Cessna Caravan with takeoff around 17:40h local
time from runway 26R and landed at Budapest around 2 hours
later. Sun was still shining at takeoff time when I headed
for 18,000 ft cruise altitude at 130 KIAS, but on ILS
landing at runway 31R it was already dark night, it had a
little bit of light rain and the airport didn't pop up
through the clouds until getting very close.

The machines (both the 'puter and the airplane <g>) were
running very smoothly even on this old P-II-450 thanks to
the additional 256 MB RAM now inside.

RadarContact did its ATC job very well too, I had some
traffic on the way and one crossing restriction. And they
didn't claim back my virtual flying license although I had
to ask them to repeat some of the controlling instructions
and at least once shortly deviated from the flightpath <bg>.

Best regards,

Guido

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Greetings Guido:

> However, I ignore the announcement
> window most of the time.

I guess now you understand why you shouldn't do that.

> May I suggest that you add an additional posting in the
> message area when this occurs again?

We did post the change here. Look for the thread named Amendment to VPC Flight Rally #9 dated 10/3/02.

On the bright side, you didn't miss the rally and can fly it with the guys next week!

Ben

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Hi Ben,

> > May I suggest that you add an additional posting in the
> > message area when this occurs again?
>
> We did post the change here. Look for the thread named
> Amendment to VPC Flight Rally #9 dated 10/3/02.

sorry for being a blockhead; I must have overlooked that
message.

Regards,

Guido

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Greetings Guido:

> sorry for being a blockhead; I must have overlooked that
> message.

No problem. We all do blockhead things. In fact I made a major blockhead move last night that I'm not very proud of...

Ben

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Hi Guido,

>> May I suggest that you add an additional posting in the
message area when this occurs again? Thanks. <<

Em, please see message with Subject Header "Ammendment to VPC Flight Rally #9" dated 03/10/2002......

>> Anyway, here is my flight report: <<

Thanks for the report, most welcome my friend. Are you joining us for the flight again on Sunday <s>. Hope to see you in the sky.

Regards,

James (CONman) Anderson
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