hi there, i am new to flight sim 2002 and while i have managed to figure out most of the features i cannot figure out how to use the approach mode of the auto pilot. i assume all i do is enter the correct ILS or LOC frequency in the NAV 1 radio and the plane should track both the glidescope and localizer right down to the reunway- only problem is it won't do that- on certain aircraft it will only track the localizer and not the glidescope and in other aircraft it won't do either- what am i doing wrong? also does FS2002 provide airport frequencies such as LOC and ILS for all the airports in FS2002 or just certin ones and if they do where do i find them? appreciate any help with these issues and Ilove my new toy!!!

• RE: using the autopilot in FS2002,Ben_Chiu, 18:53z, 07-25-02
  • RE: using the autopilot in FS2002,gooper, 22:18z, 07-25-02
    • RE: using the autopilot in FS2002,Ben_Chiu, 01:24z, 07-26-02
      • RE: using the autopilot in FS2002,gooper, 03:35z, 07-26-02
        • RE: using the autopilot in FS2002,Ben_Chiu, 19:16z, 07-26-02
    • RE: using the autopilot in FS2002,awheeler, 21:29z, 07-26-02
      • RE: using the autopilot in FS2002,gooper, 23:04z, 07-26-02
        • RE: using the autopilot in FS2002,RayProudfoot, 23:20z, 07-26-02
        • RE: using the autopilot in FS2002,awheeler, 13:15z, 07-27-02
          • RE: using the autopilot in FS2002,gooper, 15:05z, 07-27-02
            • RE: using the autopilot in FS2002,awheeler, 23:50z, 07-27-02
              • RE: using the autopilot in FS2002,gooper, 17:04z, 07-28-02

Greetings gooper:

> hi there, i am new to flight sim 2002 and while i have managed to
> figure out most of the features i cannot figure out how to use the
> approach mode of the auto pilot. i assume all i do is enter the correct
> ILS or LOC frequency in the NAV 1 radio and the plane should track both
> the glidescope and localizer right down to the reunway- only problem is
> it won't do that- on certain aircraft it will only track the localizer
> and not the glidescope and in other aircraft it won't do either- what am
> i doing wrong?

You might want to check out our autopilot tutorial in FlightAdventures Magazine. The article is names "Getting to Know George." You should also know that not all ILS's are CAT III capable (CAT III ILS's are the only type certified to guide all the way down to touchdown). You should also know that LOC's do not have glideslopes (or they'd be called ILS's).

> also does FS2002 provide airport frequencies such as LOC
> and ILS for all the airports in FS2002 or just certin ones and if they
> do where do i find them?

The freq's that are included in the sim can be found on the map view. Just click on the facility you're after and an info box will pop up.

Hope this helps!

Ben

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thanks for the help Ben, can u give a couple of airports in flight sim 2002 that would support trying out the aproach mode so i can see what an auto landing looks like?
also on another topic what are the best third party add-on aircraft for fs2002? i find the aircraft lacking especial;ly the jet aircraft and I know I have read about some really incredible aircraft that are as real as it gets that are to be used with fs2002. appreciate any advice u can give me and I love your website/forums!!

Greetings gooper:

> thanks for the help Ben, can u give a couple of airports in flight sim
> 2002 that would support trying out the aproach mode so i can see what an
> auto landing looks like?

The two most common airports used for CAT III practice in FS have traditionally been EGLL and KORD. However, note that not all of the runways at these airports are CAT III certified, and you should also know that that there's more to a CAT III approach than just dialing in the correct frequency and flipping on the autopilot. For example, your aircraft cannot have too much fuel on board, you need to fly at the correct approach speed, in the right configuration, etc..

> also on another topic what are the best third party add-on aircraft for
> fs2002? i find the aircraft lacking especial;ly the jet aircraft and I
> know I have read about some really incredible aircraft that are as real
> as it gets that are to be used with fs2002.

This is really a loaded question!

In addition to being a really subjective topic, the answers really depends on what you mean by "realistic." Without getting into realism speech, realism means different things to different people. For example for some folks realism means a photo realistic instrument panel or paint scheme/skin. For others it means an accurate flight model or sounds and/or whatever.

> appreciate any advice u can give me andI love your website/forums!!

Thanks, gooper. Please spread the word. I think I can speak for the VPC Staff and Crew and say that we're trying as best we can to make this home.

Hope this helps and good luck!

Ben

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yeah, sorry Ben what i want is something that is a very realistic flight model as well as having great graphics- if such a combination exists!!!

Greeting gooper:

> yeah, sorry Ben what i want is something that is a very realistic
> flight model as well as having great graphics- if such a combination
> exists!!!

I'm sure you'll get many opinions on this and some of the guys will chime in.

I'll refrain from answering as I'm probably a bit biased.

Good luck!

Ben

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Hi Gooper,

If you haven't already, you might try out ALA.ZIP by Björn Karlsson that's available for download on AvSim.COM. It's several autoland gauges designed for various approach speeds that work very well. I've used it with the default 737 and it feels just like the ride I had using autoland in the Alaska A/L simulator. Just sit there and it does all the work: throttles, attitude, flaps, spoilers, etc. the whole bit.

Another Cat III to try is SeaTac 16R although as far as FS goes, I don't think you'll see any difference in a published Cat I or III. Reaching back into my feeble memory I think the electronic criteria for a Cat III ILS is additional monitoring and tighter system tolerances. Since we don't have to worry about the FAA or killing ourselves in FS, any ILS ought to work with autoland.

Al Wheeler

thanks for the info Al- i will try out that file u mentioned. on another topic can u give me an idea of what are the very best flight sim aircraft that are available out there in terms of flight modelling/aircraft detailing? i find some of the aircraft (especially the jet aircraft lacking big time in detail, etc) i have heard that there is a 747 sim by Phoenix simulation that is supposed to be the sim to get but if u have any other suggestions i would appreciate them. read your article on your sim read- man i am jealous!!! how does it compare to the 737 in FS2002 in terms of the physics/flight modelling?

Hi Gooper,

<<can u give me an idea of what are the very best flight sim aircraft that are available out there in terms of flight modelling/aircraft detailing? i find some of the aircraft (especially the jet aircraft lacking big time in detail, etc) i have heard that there is a 747 sim by Phoenix simulation that is supposed to be the sim to get but if u have any other suggestions i would appreciate them>>

I have the 747-400 by Phoenix which is a big step up from the default 747 but speaking personally I find the 767PIC package is the one I use the most and feel is the best overall offering both in terms of realistic flight model and detailed operation with a FMC second to none. The original version was designed for FS2000 but a free patch was issued by Wilco to make it operate with FS2002. Be aware that this is a highly complex package with a user manual running to a couple of hundred pages but the effort spent understanding it will be rewarded.

I suggest you visit Wilco's site at www.wilcopub.com/nonfls/prodfr.htm for more info.

Regards,

Ray Proudfoot,
Cheshire, England

Hi Gooper,

I'm the wrong person to ask about flight modeling accuracy. I haven't flown a "real" aircraft for almost 25 years now (sob). In FS I usually end up flying the default 182S with the default panel for the sake of FPS consistancy when working on scenery.

If I ever finish playing with scenery, I intend to explore the dozen's of A/C I've downloaded and haven't flown enough. One A/C that comes to mind that looks great and feels right to me is Dave Eckert's Stearman (DAVSTEA1.ZIP at FlightSim.COM). In big iron I've been using the default 737-400 which seems to feel much like the Alaska Sim did except for control pressures which are beyond our control. If you use the Chris Alevritis 737-400 Pro Phototex panel (CA734PNL.ZIP at Avsim) with the HUD by Jon Gibbs (JG_HGS.ZIP also at Avsim) the cockpit will look just like the AK sim.

Al Wheeler

hi again Al i just ordered the 737-400 CD and look forward to getting it but on the subject of the control pressures that are absent from the desktop sims do u know if these force feedback joysticks help to recreate any of those missing forces that one would feel flying the real thing as really that is all that seems to be missing from computer simulators? regards, gooper

Hi Again Gooper,

I haven't tried force feedback. The comments I've read about it from some people that use it didn't seem encouraging to me. I see no way that force feedback could come close to 737 control pressures. They are very heavy if you're the least bit out of trim. It might be OK for light aircraft and give you a taste for heavies. As I said, I haven't tried it so I really am mostly just blowing smoke here.

Just an slight editorial while I'm here: I think that the great thing about MSFS is the loads of great aircraft, panels, scenery, utilities, etc. that people are producing and uploading for free or a minimal shareware cost. I really enjoy downloading that stuff and trying it out. Some goes in the bit bucket, most doesn't. There's some real talent out there and these guys and gals are knocking their brains out and giving the results to us for little or no cost. You have to give Microsoft lots of credit too for creating a great product that we can tweak and improve upon. Without that, I suspect FS might be a bit boring for me after a while. (No, I don't work for MS, but I think they produce great software).

Al Wheeler

Hi again Al i would have to agree with u on that!! In fact the third party aircraft is so good (have u got the MIG 21 by captain sim?- incredible!!) that I really believe that for the next flight MSFS release they should only include a couple of aircraft like the cessna 182, etc and leave the rest to us MSFS addicts so they can concentrate on the scenery, airports, navaids,ATC which is what they really do best.