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Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: "Rally 17 notes" 12-14-03, 18:55z  Good morning pilots! We're going to have great flights today! Winds are a strong 22knots from 360 (taken from historical records). This means when you load your flights, you'll need to have power set to full with brakes engaged or you'll start sliding backwards. Some tips we can provide include: 1. Avoid hitting the shack directly to your right! 2. Crab into the wind. 3. Flying the Wright Flyer is (not surprisingly I suppose) like riding a bicycle. The trick is to keep your balance by not banking too much in one direction or another. 4. Avoid the "death spiral" by applying rudder in the same direction as the bank when you turn. Good luck! Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader 2.1 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.80- Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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Subject      Author      Message Date     ID      RE: Rally 17 notes RobertVA 12-15-03 1    RE: Rally 17 notes Ben_Chiu 12-17-03 2   RE: Rally 17 notes RobertVA 12-17-03 3    RE: Rally 17 notes RobertVA 12-17-03 5   RE: Rally 17 notes RobertVA 12-17-03 4    RE: Rally 17 notes Ben_Chiu 12-18-03 6         RE: Rally 17 notes PL965Melo 12-20-03 7              RE: Rally 17 notes Ben_Chiu 12-21-03 8                   RE: Rally 17 notes PL965Melo 12-29-03 9                        RE: Rally 17 notes Ben_Chiu 12-29-03 10

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RobertVA Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 1. "RE: Rally 17 notes" 12-15-03, 20:01z  Hmm, since the 1903 flyer had both wing warp and rudder connected to the same control, the hip yoke, maybe auto rudder coordination should be on. Robert Near KORF Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 2. "RE: Rally 17 notes" 12-17-03, 09:08z  > Hmm, since the 1903 flyer had both wing warp and rudder connected to > the same control, the hip yoke, maybe auto rudder coordination should be > on. That's an excellent point. I think you're right. Other things we "discovered" at the Rally was that to get the furthest distance you need to sacrifice altitude for airspeed. By flying low, you stay in ground effect, which of course reduces drag and increases lift, and by not climbing you keep your airspeed high, the basis for making the longest distance with a limited amount of fuel since the flyer required full power to keep airborne. Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader 2.1 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.80- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

RobertVA Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 3. "RE: Rally 17 notes" 12-17-03, 20:34z  A real life attempt to recreate the flight failed today. Despite the advantage of a longer takeoff rail, the plane didn't appear to have aquired sufficient IAS to leave the ground. When the pilot tried to rotate, the right wing dropped and struck the ground. The impact did not appear to involve enough energy to damage the aircraft, but it was returned to shelter for a brief inspection. The nose did raise a bit, but the trailing ends of the skids, under the rudders, looked like they were in contact with the ground. The attempt was complete with a costumed photographer and a wooden stool (I couldn't tell if they had a C clamp) resembling the one visable in the famous photgraph of the original flight. As what winds were present were in the opposite direction, the hill with the wright memorial would have been promenent in the background of the new photograph. The southerly winds were apparently not quite adiquate for the flight. Rains associated with a developing low pressure system delayed the attempt approxamately two hours from the original 10:39 AM EST (1539Z) schedule. I gather another attempt was intended for near 1715 Z but I haven't seen anything about it occuring on local TV or Headline News. Also: The demonstration system with MSFS on a large screen and reproduction 1903 Wright Flyer center wing section was shown on a Monday night WSKY (based in neighboring Manteo, North Carolina) television program. A reporter from the station managed to fly the simulated aircraft far enough to "ditch" the plane in the Atlantic. The unit may be the same one some crew members tried in California. Robert Near KORF Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

RobertVA Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 5. "RE: Rally 17 notes" 12-17-03, 21:08z  Correction: Second attempt was scheduled for 1915 z. My math error correcting local 24 hr time to zulu. Plane wasn't returned to track until about 2040 though. WSKY reported the wing strike earlier broke some tension wires. Robert Near KORF Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

RobertVA Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 4. "RE: Rally 17 notes" 12-17-03, 21:00z  Anouther attempt was aborted at about 2050 z. Althogh the engine was started, a last minute wind check indicated winds were only three Knots out of the SW. Aparently no further attempts are planned today. Robert Near KORF Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 6. "RE: Rally 17 notes" 12-18-03, 07:47z  Greetings Robert: Thanks for the updates. That's terrible all of the planning didn't work out. I'm sure they'll get the Flyer in the air eventually. I guess our thoughts about the MSFS version being too easy to fly might be accurate. As you all know, the MSFS version will fly in zero wind. When we flew this last Rally, we kicked in a good 22 knot headwind to try and recreate conditions on that historic day 100 years ago, and even then, it wasn't really a "handful". Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader 2.1 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.80- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PL965Melo Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 7. "RE: Rally 17 notes" 12-20-03, 01:42z  Hi Ben, >That's terrible all of the planning didn't work out. I'm >sure they'll get the Flyer in the air eventually. Do you know if and/or when they plan to fly the replica Wright Flyer since it was not successful on the 17th? >When we flew this last Rally, we kicked in a good 22 knot >headwind to try and recreate conditions on that historic >day 100 years ago, and even then, it wasn't really >a "handful". Sorry I missed the Rally on Sunday. I had a relapse of the flu on the day of the Rally and did not do any flying. By Wednesday the 17th I was feeling better and managed to at least fling a Spitfire around the sky for a while on the 100th Anniversary of Powered Flight. How did the Rally go and who managed to set the Distance record in the Wright Flyer? Would love to hear more about how it went. My Spitfire Home airport is changing, not because PL965 is going anywhere, but because Burbank Airport was renamed Bob Hope Airport on Dec 17th. I am going to write to the Airport Authority and ask them if they are going to change the Airport code from KBUR to KBOB. Looked up KBOB in FS2004 and it looks like it is not yet spoken for. Best regards, Melo PL965 Spitfire pilot, Glendale, CA Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 8. "RE: Rally 17 notes" 12-21-03, 20:37z  Season's Greetings! > Do you know if and/or when they plan to fly the replica Wright Flyer > since it was not successful on the 17th? I don't know. I think I recall Robert saying something at a chat that they're going to pack it up and make another attempt some time in the future. > Sorry I missed the Rally on Sunday. I had a relapse of the flu on the > day of the Rally and did not do any flying. By Wednesday the 17th I was > feeling better and managed to at least fling a Spitfire around the sky > for a while on the 100th Anniversary of Powered Flight. Glad to you hear you're making a recovery. The flu this year seems to be particularly nasty. > How did the Rally go and who managed to set the Distance record in the > Wright Flyer? Would love to hear more about how it went. We were leap frogging each other with longer distances, but in the I think I set the record of just about 1 nautical mile. It turns out the fuel quantity in the flight that MS uses is only about 85% full. So after adjusting fuel to 100% and learning to keep very low (under 15' altitude--use shift z for a readout), we were flying further than ever. Looking back at it, instead of flying directly into the headwind, it occurs to me that if you flew on a tangent, you'd be able to cover a longer distance because the headwind wouldn't be causing your groundspeed to be so low. Perhaps one day we'll revisit this Rally to see if we can top our records. > My Spitfire Home airport is changing, not because PL965 is going > anywhere, but because Burbank Airport was renamed Bob Hope Airport on > Dec 17th. I am going to write to the Airport Authority and ask them if > they are going to change the Airport code from KBUR to KBOB. Looked up > KBOB in FS2004 and it looks like it is not yet spoken for. That's funny! Keep us posted. Merry Christmas! Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader 2.1 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.83- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

PL965Melo Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 9. "RE: Rally 17 notes" 12-29-03, 02:18z  Hi Ben, >We were leap frogging each other with longer distances, >but in the I think I set the record of just about 1 >nautical mile. It turns out the fuel quantity in the >flight that MS uses is only about 85% full. So after >adjusting fuel to 100% and learning to keep very low >(under 15' altitude--use shift z for a readout), we were >flying further than ever. Good deal that you were able to challenge each other and get farther and farther. I will have to give it another try using the fuel settings you specified and see if I can get as far. >Looking back at it, instead of flying directly into the >headwind, it occurs to me that if you flew on a tangent, >you'd be able to cover a longer distance because the >headwind wouldn't be causing your groundspeed to be so >low. Although flying on a tangent to the wind might cause the Flyer to be harder to control. Spending more energy and effort trying to keep the wings stable in a crosswind. >Keep us posted. I got an eamil back from the Airport public relations office. They passed my KBOB suggestion along to the Airport Authority. Have not heard anything more since then. >Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas and a Happy new Year to you too! Regards, Melo PL965 Spitfire pilot, Glendale, CA Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 10. "RE: Rally 17 notes" 12-29-03, 19:09z  Greetings Melo: > Although flying on a tangent to the wind might cause the > Flyer to be harder to control. Spending more energy and > effort trying to keep the wings stable in a crosswind. Hmm, sounds almost like the downwind turn argument. Actually, other than a little crabbing, I don't think there's much of a handling problem once you're airborne. Of course, ymmv. > I got an eamil back from the Airport public relations > office. They passed my KBOB suggestion along to the > Airport Authority. Have not heard anything more since > then. The airport may still be known as Burbank. For example, KSBP is formally known as McChezney Field, but everyone uses San Luis Obispo. > Merry Christmas and a Happy new Year to you too! Happy New Year! Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader 2.1 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.83- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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