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Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: "Leering from a Learjet" 07-07-02, 06:07z  Greetings! I took these when I hopped on a flight with Carlos from Paso Robles to Carlsbad (McClellan-Palomar) in a Learjet 35A yesterday. Just FYI, ATC routed us over the ocean (Catalina) and the return leg took about 45 minutes--you do the math. Ben Van Nuys from FL350 Avalon Airport on Catalina Island from FL230 On final to Carlsbad Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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Subject      Author      Message Date     ID      RE: Leering from a Learjet Madape 07-07-02 1    RE: Leering from a Learjet Ben_Chiu 07-07-02 2         RE: Leering from a Learjet Madape 07-08-02 4              RE: Leering from a Learjet Ben_Chiu 07-08-02 7                   RE: Leering from a Learjet Madape 07-09-02 10         RE: Leering from a Learjet Mike_Greenwood 07-10-02 13              RE: Leering from a Learjet Ben_Chiu 07-10-02 14                   RE: Leering from a Learjet Mike_Greenwood 07-11-02 15                        RE: Leering from a Learjet Ben_Chiu 07-11-02 16                             RE: Leering from a Learjet jerryrosie 07-11-02 17                                  RE: Leering from a Learjet Mike_Greenwood 07-11-02 19                             RE: Leering from a Learjet Mike_Greenwood 07-11-02 18                                  RE: Leering from a Learjet Ben_Chiu 07-11-02 20    RE: Leering from a Learjet avbug 07-08-02 9         RE: Leering from a Learjet Madape 07-09-02 11         RE: Leering from a Learjet Ben_Chiu 07-09-02 12   RE: Leering from a Learjet andor 07-08-02 3    RE: Leering from a Learjet Ben_Chiu 07-08-02 6   RE: Leering from a Learjet alanpugh 07-08-02 5    RE: Leering from a Learjet Ben_Chiu 07-08-02 8

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Madape Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 1. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-07-02, 18:09z  Woah! Some nice pics there... didnt know how crampt it was in those Lear Jet cockpits, looks v.snug! I was just wonderging, Pilots who fly for the big airlines, have to certify for a specific aircraft (or aircraft family in Airbus's case) i.e. 737, 757, A318/19/20/21 etc etc. Do pilots have to specialise in a certain type of BizJet, or can they just fly any type? Sam Harvey sam@crew.flightadventures.com Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 2. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-07-02, 22:39z  Greetings Sam: > Woah! Some nice pics there... didnt know how crampt it was in those > Lear Jet cockpits, looks v.snug! Most biz jets are pretty crampt even in the cabin. While in Carlsbad, there were a bunch of GIV's, and GV's at the jet center (that's the way to travel!), and those cockpits are about the size that most folk imagine cockpits to be. However, you should note that the wingspan of a LJ is about the span of the horizontal stab of a GIV! > I was just wonderging, Pilots who fly for the big airlines, have to > certify for a specific aircraft (or aircraft family in Airbus's case) > i.e. 737, 757, A318/19/20/21 etc etc. Do pilots have to specialise in a > certain type of BizJet, or can they just fly any type? Type ratings are required for: - Large aircraft (>12,500lbs) - Turbojet (not turboprops) - Other aircraft specified by the FAA "Type" in this case means the aircraft type. So yes, DC-7, F-27, etc., etc., each requires a separate type rating--which mean training and a flight test. Hope this helps! Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Madape Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 4. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-08-02, 11:26z  Hi Ben Thanks for clearing up the type issue... now I'm really gonna show my incompetence on Aircraft... whats a GIV, or GV Sam Harvey sam@crew.flightadventures.com Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 7. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-08-02, 18:37z  Greetings Sam: > whats a GIV, or GV My fault-- G-IV and G-V are Gulfstream 4 and 5 respectively. Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Madape Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 10. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-09-02, 00:50z  Ahh now they sound familar Sam Harvey sam@crew.flightadventures.com Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Mike_Greenwood Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 13. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-10-02, 02:27z  Those are great pics Ben. Lucky you! I was lucky to be able to log a couple of hours in a Falcon 50 sim at Simuflite in Dallas a few years back. The cockpit in that plane is cramped as well, but once seated, it's not all that bad. I actually did ok, as the instructor said that that the plane might actually be flyable again after my landings <g>. That's the closest I've come to a real bizjet. --Greenie **6 miles SSE KSJC** -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Mike Greenwood -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 14. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-10-02, 18:53z  Greetings Mike: > Those are great pics Ben. Lucky you! Actually, not so lucky. We suffered a non-MEL-able equipment failure and stayed overnight (it was tough finding a hotel room on the 4th of July weekend) courtesy of North American Jet. I'll spare you the details. > I was lucky to be able to log a couple of hours in a Falcon 50 sim at > Simuflite in Dallas a few years back. The cockpit in that plane is > cramped as well, but once seated, it's not all that bad. I guess it's all relative. I'm an average sized guy (69") and curve of the LJ35 cockpit placed my head within 3" of the top curve of my head. > I actually did > ok, as the instructor said that that the plane might actually be flyable > again after my landings <g>. Being flyable after landing is a good thing. > That's the closest I've come to a real bizjet. Who knows? San Jose isn't that far from Paso. Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Mike_Greenwood Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 15. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-11-02, 03:22z  Hi Ben, >>I guess it's all relative. I'm an average sized guy (69") and curve of the LJ35 cockpit placed my head within 3" of the top curve of my head.<< I think that the Falcon 50 is a bigger plane than the LJ35, so maybe that's why I felt more comfortable (we're about the same height). >>Being flyable after landing is a good thing. << Hehe, well, not being a pilot, I woulda been happy if he said that we lived through the landing <g>. It was a bonus that he said the plane a probably still flyable >>Who knows? San Jose isn't that far from Paso. << Well, fly that sucker up here...I'll meet ya at the Jet Center!! <g> --Greenie **6 miles SSE KSJC** -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Mike Greenwood -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 16. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-11-02, 07:56z  Hi Mike: > Well, fly that sucker up here...I'll meet ya at the Jet Center!! <g> All it takes is money. Seriously, too bad we all don't live in higher concentrations in some areas. If we could get a few of the guys together to kick in a couple of hundred bucks each, we could take short trip and basically do a mini "checkout" flight for everyone (preflight, explain the flight profile etc., then take the flight). I'm sure everyone would get a better appreciation of how different flying a jet really is compared to what's done in FS. (Prop plane procedures are much closer to the real thing in FS, IMHO.) Perhaps if we ever have a FlightAdventures VPC Convention or something like that we can arrange something like this. Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

jerryrosie Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 17. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-11-02, 14:17z  >>) Perhaps if we ever have a FlightAdventures VPC Convention or something like that we can arrange something like this.<< ABSOLUTELY S T U P E N D O U S idea!! ***Reality - The refuge of those who can't handle simulation*** Cheers, Jerry (N94) **** VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.0.0.0 **** ++++ Registered to: Gerald J. Rosie ++++ **** OLR.PL Build 1.73 **** Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Mike_Greenwood Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 19. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-11-02, 16:19z  >>ABSOLUTELY S T U P E N D O U S idea!!<< Sure is, but we need ALOT more crew memberships to get something like that even to the planning stage --Greenie **6 miles SSE KSJC** -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Mike Greenwood -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Mike_Greenwood Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 18. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-11-02, 16:19z  >>All it takes is money. << Yeah, doesn't everything. I'm curious, what's the hourly cost to fly that thing? --Greenie **6 miles SSE KSJC** -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Mike Greenwood -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 20. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-11-02, 18:48z  Hi Mike: > Yeah, doesn't everything. I'm curious, what's the hourly cost to fly > that thing? I'm not sure, but I think it's around $1600/hr. Get a few guys together and we're in for $200 a pop for a round trip to SJC and MRY easy. Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

avbug Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 9. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-08-02, 20:45z  Madape, The learjet cockpit isn't all that cramped. It just looks like it. It's a good fit. The Learjet type rating covers the LR20 series, and the LR35/36. These all have similiar sizing in the cockpit, though the 20 series are a little smaller and have a little less room up there. Later lears such as the LR45 have much more room up there, and are more comfortable, as well as nearly a stand-up cabin. FL230 is low level for the learjet. It's not so bad in the LR35 in that picture, but a real killer for the 20 series. At that altitude in a LR24 or LR25, you can watch the fuel gage wind down...you can see it move. Are those the rosen sunvisors in that picture? It looks like a better system than the standard visor system, with the ability to block the sun near the windshield center post...something you can't do on the standard LR arrangement. Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Madape Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 11. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-09-02, 00:53z  Hi AvBug! >The learjet cockpit isn't all that cramped. It just looks >like it. It's a good fit. The Learjet type rating covers >the LR20 series, and the LR35/36. These all have similiar >sizing in the cockpit, though the 20 series are a little >smaller and have a little less room up there. Later lears >such as the LR45 have much more room up there, and are >more comfortable, as well as nearly a stand-up cabin. Thanks the info! Maybe just maybe, one day I might have a go in one (Dream on!) >FL230 is low level for the learjet. It's not so bad in >the LR35 in that picture, but a real killer for the 20 >series. At that altitude in a LR24 or LR25, you can watch >the fuel gage wind down...you can see it move. Ack! Geesh dont say that, those kinda things freak me out! Cheers! Sam Harvey sam@crew.flightadventures.com Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 12. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-09-02, 02:08z  > FL230 is low level for the learjet. Rgr. We were descending because our IAF was about 50 something miles from Santa Catalina VOR. > Are those the rosen sunvisors in that picture? I didn't read who made them, but I think you're right. Good eye! Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

andor Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 3. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-08-02, 02:01z  G,day Ben.. well you may leer.. lucky so & so . Now I know why I have trouble with Catalina, it,s all those clouds!!. If they had routed you just a bit further, you could have dropped in to see me.. 45min X 350kts. Hmmm Great shots, Regards Andy Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 6. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-08-02, 18:15z  Greetings Andy: > Now I know why I have trouble with Catalina, it,s all those clouds!! That's fairly typical for SoCal's summer weather pattern. Overnight the coastal fog rolls in and hangs around until about noon or so, then starts to recede, only to come back in again during the evening. > If they had routed you just a bit further, you could have dropped in to see me.. 45min > X 350kts. Hmmm LOL, rgr that! We tried to file high enough so ARTCC would route us above LAX's class B, but they weren't going to have any of that. Perhaps due to the 4th of July holiday... who knows anymore... > Great shots, Thanks! Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

alanpugh Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 5. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-08-02, 17:02z  Yeeow! What great pictures. I love seeing real-life shots of the places we fly in FS all the time. Thanks, Ben. Alan Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben_Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 8. "RE: Leering from a Learjet" 07-08-02, 18:38z  > Yeeow! What great pictures. I love seeing real-life > shots of the places we fly in FS all the time. > > Thanks, Ben. You're most welcome, Alan! Just FYI, we've started a collection of real world shots like these in our General Aviation Adventures Logs. If anyone has pictures they want to submit/share, just let us know. Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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