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Extra300S Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: "the bassic 90* rolling turn " 05-31-02, 13:11z  I have finaly done the 90*rolling turn in a sukohi SU26M but I still want a more challlenging rolling moneuver i will try it in the SU26M thanks Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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Subject      Author      Message Date     ID      RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn DHamblin 05-31-02 1    RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Extra300S 05-31-02 2         RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn DHamblin 05-31-02 3              RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Extra300S 05-31-02 4                   RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn DHamblin 06-02-02 5                        RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Extra300S 06-02-02 6                             RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Ben Chiu 06-02-02 7                                  RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Extra300S 06-02-02 8                                       RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Mike_Greenwood 06-03-02 9                                            RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Ben Chiu 06-03-02 10                                                 RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn djpacro 06-03-02 13                                                      RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Ben Chiu 06-03-02 15                                                           RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Extra300S 06-04-02 16                                                                RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Ben Chiu 06-05-02 17                                                                     RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Extra300S 06-05-02 18                                       RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Ben Chiu 06-03-02 11                                            RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn DHamblin 06-03-02 12                                                 RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn Ben Chiu 06-03-02 14

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DHamblin Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 1. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn " 05-31-02, 13:14z  Dave Hamblin (formerly DaveH on old site!) Hi Greg, glad you made it to the new site! Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Extra300S Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 2. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn " 05-31-02, 18:32z  Thanks buddy how is your plane doing Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

DHamblin Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 3. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn " 05-31-02, 19:47z  >Thanks buddy how is your plane doing Great so far! Lots of fun, not too expensive to operate. Dave Hamblin (formerly DaveH on old site!) Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Extra300S Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 4. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn " 05-31-02, 21:08z  Good have you done any spins in it yet when is the annual due Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

DHamblin Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 5. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn " 06-02-02, 00:23z  Dave Hamblin (formerly DaveH on old site!) My friend/CFI (who also has 1/3 ownership) and another CFI friend plan to spin it (its been years since he spun a C150)then he plans to show me at least the onset of a spin or a 1 turn spin if I would like. I don't really think I want to do more than that without a chute and a fully aerobatic plane. I agree I should see what the beginning of a spin looks and feels like in the 150. I'll save exploring the limits of a spin for time with someone like Patty. (Though my friend would like to get an aerobatic plane himself so who knows what the future holds...) Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Extra300S Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 6. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn " 06-02-02, 01:07z  I agree fully go get some aerobatic time in a either a 8kab super decathlon or a Pitts S2B or S2C in spins then take what you have learned from the Pitts or the decathlon and put it to the 150 Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 7. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn" 06-02-02, 22:30z  PMJI, spinning a 150/152 is pretty much an non-event (of course if you have altitude). The spin entry can be a bit exciting at first, but those airplanes pretty much recover all by themselves (actually I think that's a certification requirement if I remember correctly) if you pull/keep the throttle back and release pressure on the controls. As a matter of fact, I remember that I almost gave my CFI a heart attack when I *authoratively* pushed forward on the wheel and added full opposite rudder just like I read you were supposed to do in the books! Long story short, it didn't need anything near that to recover. Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Extra300S Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 8. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn" 06-02-02, 23:09z  I bet he was scared out of his witts Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Mike_Greenwood Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 9. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn" 06-03-02, 00:30z  >> I bet he was scared out of his witts<< Now Ben only does that to his students since *he's* the CFI <VBG>. --Greenie **6 miles SSE KSJC** -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Mike Greenwood -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 10. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn" 06-03-02, 04:55z  > >> I bet he was scared out of his witts<< > > Now Ben only does that to his students since *he's* the CFI <VBG>. Nah, I'm one of those guys that likes to learn new things (even if they're not intended to be taught). In addition to learning about spin entries and recovery that day, I learned a valuable lesson about teaching techniques--the most important part of a flight lesson is the preflight briefing (I'm sure you recognize that from our course book and materials). As a result none of our students are surprised about what's going to happen, what they need to do or is what is expected of them since they've done it all already before we even get into the airplane. Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

djpacro Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 13. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn" 06-03-02, 21:45z  There are two exceptions to the "no surprises" rule. One is in spin training - I include recoveries from unintentional spins - the student is briefed that its on the agenda and forewarned but is unaware of the exact situation. For those doing an aerobatic course I introduce students to flick rolls - a few of those in a Cessna Aerobat work well as unintentional spin exercises. For info, I have the link to a short article on spinning single engine Cessnas from a company test pilot: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/files/Flight%20Operations/ Regards, Dave Pilkington Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 15. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn" 06-03-02, 22:59z  Greetings Dave: > There are two exceptions to the "no surprises" rule. One is in spin > training - I include recoveries from unintentional spins - the student > is briefed that its on the agenda and forewarned but is unaware of the > exact situation. Understood and appreciated. > For info, I have the link to a short article on spinning single engine > Cessnas from a company test pilot: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozaeros/files/Flight%20Operations/ Thanks for the link! Excellent article--wish I had read that before my spin training. Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Extra300S Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 16. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn" 06-04-02, 23:47z  I did spin training once and I liked it I am a person who like aerobatics extremly and I want to become the best aerobatic pilot on FS2002 that I can be Ben can you give me some different types of spins to try in the SU26M thanks Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 17. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn" 06-05-02, 00:21z  Greetings Extra300S: > I am a person who like > aerobatics extremly and I want to become the best aerobatic pilot on > FS2002 that I can be Ben can you give me some different types of spins > to try in the SU26M thanks Unfortunately FS2002 isn't very good for doing spins (the aircraft tumble more than spin). FU1 is/was much better IMHO. As for types of spins, I'm by no means a spin expert, but there only seems to be two types (elevator stalling in the up position, and elevator stalling in the down position). ("Spins" with a stalled rudder are called snap rolls.) There is some distinction made between how high the AOA is (high AOA = flat spin), but other than that, I'm really the wrong person to ask because I try and avoid spins as much as possible when I fly. Sorry I couldn't be of more help, but there are others much more knowledgeable about spins here. Perhaps they'll jump in. Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Extra300S Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 18. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn" 06-05-02, 16:18z  Thats being a safe pilot I avoid spins when I am not in non aerobatic aircraft like teh baron or kingair350 or any other non aerobatic plane Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 11. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn" 06-03-02, 04:55z  > I bet he was scared out of his witts Let's say he earned his pay that day. -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

DHamblin Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 12. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn" 06-03-02, 14:38z  Dave Hamblin (formerly DaveH on old site!) Ok, did it enter an inverted spin or just accelerate the upright???? Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Ben Chiu Certificates/Ratings/Crew Stations: 14. "RE: the bassic 90* rolling turn" 06-03-02, 22:59z  > Ok, did it enter an inverted spin or just accelerate the upright???? I can't say for sure because judging our exact attitude was very difficult for me (remember it was my first spin recovery attempt). All I can say for sure is we did get "light" and the spin did reverse direction. I think what caused my CFI the most concern was the abrupt onset of negative G's from my "enthusiastic" forward pressure on the wheel. We were flying an old and tired 152 whose airframe we both didn't to stress it any more than we needed to (especially negative G's) to complete my training. Ben -= VPC OffLine Reader Version 1.1.0.0 =- Registered to: Ben Chiu -OLR.PL v1.76- Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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