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"VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make History! - Sunday the 16th December 2003"
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VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make History! - Sunday the 14th December 2003
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The Staff and Crew of flightadventures.com would like to invite you all to the forthcoming VPC Flight Rally #17 . This flight will take place on Sunday the 14th of December 2003 arriving at the destination airport for 20:00 ZULU/UTC and then into the Pilot Lounge for the usual chat and the virtual burger and beer afterwards.

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In honour of the 100th Anniversary of the Wright Brothers historic flight, Rally 17 will be a little different than past Rally's. We'll be meeting at First Flight (KFFA) and each Rally pilot flying FS2004 will then be given a chance to match (or exceed!) the distance flown on that historic day in the Wright Flyer. (Those that are very confident may be well advised to bring a floation device!) We will be providing a saved flight for this purpose, and the weather conditions will be set the day of the Rally.
Please join us on Sunday, 14th of December 2003 for the 17th VPC Flight Rally in the Persistent World Flight #1 (and Flight #4 for FS2002 pilots), and make sure to visit the Pilots Lounge after your flight to let us know all about it!
Download or read http://www.flightadventures.com/docs/rally.htm and http://www.flightadventures.com/docs/VPCFTI.htm for detailed information on both VPC Flight Rallies and Flight Terminal Information. If you require further assistance or information then please don't hesitate to ask.
**** Remember folks, fly safe and have an enjoyable (and hopefully historic!) flight! ****

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RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His... PL965Melo 11-10-03 1

   RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His... Admin 11-10-03 2

   RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His... Ben_Chiu 11-11-03 3

        RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His... PL965Melo 11-13-03 4

             RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His... Ben_Chiu 11-19-03 5

                  RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His... PL965Melo 11-23-03 6

                       RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His... Ben_Chiu 12-02-03 7

                            RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His... PL965Melo 12-06-03 8

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1. "RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make History! - Sunday the 16th December 2003"
11-10-03, 01:48z

>VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make History! - Sunday the 16th
>December 2003
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>The Staff and Crew of flightadventures.com would like to
>invite you all to the forthcoming VPC Flight Rally #17 .
Sounds great! Already practicing with the Wright Flyer. Even once at Miramar with a mock-up of the actual flight controls! :-)
>This flight will take place on Sunday the 16th of December
>2003 arriving at the destination airport for 20:00
>ZULU/UTC and then into the Pilot Lounge for the usual chat
>and the virtual burger and beer afterwards.
Please clarify which Sunday the Rally will be held on. Dec 16th is a Tuesday.
>Download or read
>http://www.flightadventures.com/docs/rally.htm and
>http://www.flightadventures.com/docs/VPCFTI.htm for
>detailed information on both VPC Flight Rallies and Flight
>Terminal Information. If you require further assistance or
>information then please don't hesitate to ask.
I will check these out and get some flight practice this month. Really looking forward to this flight!
Regards,
Melo
PL965 Spitfire pilot,
Glendale, CA

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2. "RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make History! - Sunday the 14th December 2003"
11-10-03, 07:54z

Hi Melo:
>Please clarify which Sunday the Rally will be held on.
>Dec 16th is a Tuesday.
It's so hard to find good help these days...
Yes, it should be Sunday the 14th of December. Sorry for the confusion.

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3. "RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His..."
11-11-03, 20:05z

Greetings Melo:
> Sounds great! Already practicing with the Wright Flyer. Even once at
> Miramar with a mock-up of the actual flight controls! :-)
Ru-roh, sounds like we might have a ringer here.
So what was it like? How far did you get/long did you fly?

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PL965Melo

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4. "RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His..."
11-13-03, 02:45z

Hi Ben,
>Ru-roh, sounds like we might have a ringer here.
Don't think you have to worry. Beginners luck! :-)
>So what was it like? How far did you get/long did you fly?
It was really cool to fly the Wright Flyer there at Miramar. I tried it at the Ford Booth in the early morning while you were getting some of your interviews. Tried to talk Vic into giving the Flyer a try later on in the day too, but by then the air-conditioned booth was very crowded and there was a long line waiting to try the Flyer.
They had FS2004 setup with the cockpit view on the computer screen. Behind that was a mock-up of the center part of the Wright Flyer, with a wing to climb onto and lay down in the pilot position, and a partial upper wing overhead. The control bar for pitch control was out in front and you reached forward to control it. The Bank/Yaw control was accomplished by lying down in position between a bracket that stuck up on either side of the body. The person running the Sim pushed the vertical bars in close so they were snug along my sides. The way I fit into the contraption the bars were on either side at about my hip level, just behind the waist. There was also a place to brace your feet behind you.
Pitch control was as expected. Bank/Yaw control was accomplished by pushing with the hips in the opposite direction that the wing was heading. So if the upper wing started to tip down to the left, I moved my hips to the right enough to compensate.
Have no idea how long I flew, but can give a pretty good approximation of how far I got. (They did not have Lat-Long coordinates on screen so I can't give you an exact position) Took off and flew straight along the course, levelling off pretty quick to stay low and in the ground effect. Flew past all four markers, I think the last one is at 852 ft if I am remembering right. Continued flying as straight as I could past some houses. Had some very hairy moments very gingerly banking around a couple of trees and finally brought the Flyer down on purpose to a gentle landing on the sand within easy sight of the Atlantic shoreline. I think there was one sparse row of houses between me and the water when the Flyer came to a stop. :-)
Flying the Flyer required quite a lot of hip movement back and forth at times, very tricky to control and prevent the wing from dropping too close to the ground to the left or the right.

It was a Blast and I won't soon forget it! :-)
Regards,
Melo
PL965 Spitfire pilot,
Glendale, CA

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5. "RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His..."
11-19-03, 19:15z

Hi Melo:
> Tried to talk Vic into giving the Flyer a try later on
> in the day too, but by then the air-conditioned booth was very crowded
> and there was a long line waiting to try the Flyer.
Sounds like Vic's become spoiled after the treatment he received at Miramar.

> They had FS2004 setup with the cockpit view on the computer screen.
> Behind that was a mock-up of the center part of the Wright Flyer, with a
> wing to climb onto and lay down in the pilot position, and a partial
> upper wing overhead.
So this was being run by MS?

> Pitch control was as expected. Bank/Yaw control was accomplished by
> pushing with the hips in the opposite direction that the wing was
> heading. So if the upper wing started to tip down to the left, I moved
> my hips to the right enough to compensate.
Interesting. I just watched a show on PBS about the Wright B flyer and some modern commentators were saying that bank on the B model was controlled by a second stick that moved forward and backward. Talk about confusing!

> Have no idea how long I flew, but can give a pretty good approximation
> of how far I got. (They did not have Lat-Long coordinates on screen so I
> can't give you an exact position) Took off and flew straight along the
> course, levelling off pretty quick to stay low and in the ground effect.
> Flew past all four markers, I think the last one is at 852 ft if I am
> remembering right. Continued flying as straight as I could past some
> houses. Had some very hairy moments very gingerly banking around a
> couple of trees and finally brought the Flyer down on purpose to a
> gentle landing on the sand within easy sight of the Atlantic shoreline.
> I think there was one sparse row of houses between me and the water when
> the Flyer came to a stop. :-)
LOL! It's usually a house that causes me to stop!

> It was a Blast and I won't soon forget it! :-)
Sounds like it. Sorry I missed it.
Ben

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PL965Melo

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6. "RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His..."
11-23-03, 20:30z

Hi Ben,
>Sounds like Vic's become spoiled after the treatment he
>received at Miramar.
It sure was great to be in that air-conditioned booth for a while after being out in the hot sun. I really enjoyed going to the Airshow with you guys. Thanks again to you and Vic!
>So this was being run by MS?
It looked like it was run by Ford people. Both of the Flight Simulator setups were running in Kiosk mode. Besides the Wright Flyer, they had a Ford Tri-Motor (naturally) that you could fly with a joystick.
The Ford booth was very nice with side by side panels around the perimeter comparing the last 100 years of Aviation with the last 100 years of automobiles. The only mistake I found was that a picture of a late model Griffin engine Spitfire was shown as representative of aircraft available near the beginning of WWII. I mentioned it to the person in charge of the booth, in case they want to change it for future displays.
>Interesting. I just watched a show on PBS about the Wright
>B flyer and some modern commentators were saying that bank
>on the B model was controlled by a second stick that moved
>forward and backward. Talk about confusing!
The second stick approach would have worked too, but controlling the wings with the hips worked fine. Maybe less confusing, in my opinion. Imagine if you got confused and moved the wrong stick on the B model.
>LOL! It's usually a house that causes me to stop!
I was just lucky that there was a small clear space there right where I needed it at the time. I only had the option of landing straight ahead. :-)
>Sounds like it. Sorry I missed it.
I would have gladly traded places and talked with Patty Wagstaff instead! :-)
Regards,
Melo
PL965 Spitfire pilot,
Glendale, CA

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7. "RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His..."
12-02-03, 21:25z

Hi Melo:
> I really enjoyed going to the Airshow with you
> guys. Thanks again to you and Vic!
Glad you had a good time.

> The only mistake I found was that a picture of a
> late model Griffin engine Spitfire was shown as representative of
> aircraft available near the beginning of WWII. I mentioned it to the
> person in charge of the booth, in case they want to change it for future
> displays.
Hah! Doesn't surprise me that you'd catch that one!

> >Interesting. I just watched a show on PBS about the Wright
> >B flyer and some modern commentators were saying that bank
> >on the B model was controlled by a second stick that moved
> >forward and backward. Talk about confusing!
>
> The second stick approach would have worked too, but controlling the
> wings with the hips worked fine. Maybe less confusing, in my opinion.
> Imagine if you got confused and moved the wrong stick on the B model.
Or moved it in the wrong direction! The hip control at least would be intuitive. You know, don't hang gliders work by hip control as well? Maybe you just hang by your hips and move the "hang" part with your hands. Now that the USAF is playing with wing warping, it's funny how things come around.

> I would have gladly traded places and talked with Patty Wagstaff
> instead! :-)
Patty's just a Forum away!

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8. "RE: VPC Flight Rally #17 - Make His..."
12-06-03, 19:22z

Hi Ben,
>Hah! Doesn't surprise me that you'd catch that one!
It was an obvious error to me, but most people would never notice. What surprised me was that the woman said that there was a large group of people checking the pictures and text before they were approved for display. Probably too expensive now to redo the display.
>Or moved it in the wrong direction! The hip control at
>least would be intuitive. You know, don't hang gliders
>work by hip control as well? Maybe you just hang by your
>hips and move the "hang" part with your hands. Now that
>the USAF is playing with wing warping, it's funny how
>things come around.
The hip control was easy as long as I kept thinking to myself "opposite direction from bank". :-)
Not sure how hang gliders work. I think you move the "hang" part with your hands. I've always stayed away from Hang Gliders. One of my High school friends survived a hang gliding glider failure years ago with multiple broken bones. But, at least he survived.
Regards,
Melo
PL965 Spitfire pilot,
Glendale, CA

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