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"Interesting problem with fs2k2 flightplanner & panel"
07-07-02, 16:29z 

I've just run into a new one. Downloaded and installed a 3rd party 757 and panel. Fired up XP and fs2k2, loaded aircraft and flew around a whhile, no problem. Decided to create a flightplan using the fs2k2 planner. Did so and when I selected the flight - black screen and back to desktop. Happened EVERY time with that aircraft/panel. After a LOT of trial and error, boiled it down to one gauge, a fuel calculator. When it was not commented out the system went back to the desktop.

Now here's the really strange part - it works fine if the flightplanner hasn't been used AND the problem only happens under Windows XP - Run w98se and no problem.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Vic

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  RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... andor[Lead] 07-08-02 1
  RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... Ben_Chiu[Admin] 07-08-02 2
   RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... vgbaron[Sysop] 07-08-02 3
        RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... Mike_Greenwood[Admin] 07-11-02 8
   RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... James[Sysop] 07-09-02 4
        RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... Ben_Chiu[Admin] 07-09-02 5
             RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... James[Sysop] 07-09-02 6
             RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... Mike_Greenwood[Admin] 07-11-02 9
                  RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... James[Sysop] 07-11-02 13
   RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... Mike_Greenwood[Admin] 07-11-02 7
        RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... jonahbird[Crew] 07-11-02 10
             RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... Mike_Greenwood[Admin] 07-11-02 11
                  RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... jonahbird[Crew] 07-11-02 12
                       RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... Mike_Greenwood[Admin] 07-11-02 14
                            RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... jonahbird[Crew] 07-12-02 15
                                 RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... Mike_Greenwood[Admin] 07-12-02 16
                                      RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... jonahbird[Crew] 07-12-02 17
  RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... TD[Guest] 07-14-02 18
   RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... Emile[Crew] 07-15-02 19
        RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... TD[Guest] 07-16-02 20
             RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... Ben_Chiu[Admin] 07-17-02 21
                  RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... PeteDowson[Crew] 07-17-02 23
                       RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... James[Sysop] 07-17-02 24
                       RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... James[Sysop] 07-18-02 25
                       RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... TD[Guest] 07-28-02 27
                            RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... PeteDowson[Crew] 07-28-02 28
                                 RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... TD[Guest] 07-30-02 29
                                      RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... PeteDowson[Crew] 07-30-02 30
             RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... James[Sysop] 07-17-02 22
                  RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ... TD[Guest] 07-20-02 26

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1. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 flightplanner & panel"
07-08-02, 01:51z 

G,day Vic,
I,ve just downloaded the Piper Commanche with custom panel so will give it a go with the flight planner, I,m running ME and will let you know.. Interesting.. at least now if it happens to me I won,t panic. :)
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2. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 flig..."
07-08-02, 01:54z 

Greetings Vic:

> Now here's the really strange part - it works fine if the flightplanner
> hasn't been used AND the problem only happens under Windows XP - Run
> w98se and no problem.
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> Anyone have any thoughts?

Bag XP? :)

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3. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-08-02, 16:19z 

> > hasn't been used AND the problem only happens under Windows XP - Run
> > w98se and no problem.
> >
> > Anyone have any thoughts?
>
> Bag XP? :)
>


LOL - Don't let Greenie hear you say that!

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8. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-11-02, 04:26z 

>>LOL - Don't let Greenie hear you say that!<<

I heard it! See my note above <g>.


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4. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-09-02, 18:20z 

>> Bag XP? :) <<

What's wrong with XP, I have it on 6 pc's at present (would have been 7 but it's a bit old) :-)

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5. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-09-02, 18:53z 

Hi James:

> >> Bag XP? :) <<
>
> What's wrong with XP, I have it on 6 pc's at present (would have been 7
> but it's a bit old) :-)

XP doesn't work with Vic's fuel gauge.

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6. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-09-02, 23:27z 

Ha ha ha, nice one.

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9. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-11-02, 04:27z 

>>XP doesn't work with Vic's fuel gauge.<<

No my friend, you have it backwards...Vic's fuel guage doesn't work with XP <VBG>.


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13. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-11-02, 20:05z 

>> No my friend, you have it backwards...Vic's fuel gauge doesn't work with
XP <VBG>. <<

ROFLMAO..........

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7. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-11-02, 04:26z 

>>Bag XP? :)<<

Yeah I heard it! <g> You XP nay-sayers...I just don't know. My copy of Dragon's Lair won't run on it at all, but that's a price I'm willing to pay for an extremely stable and reliable OS. That's saying alot since that was my FAVORITE arcade game back in my college days <g>. My advice is to bag that 3rd party plane, and wait 'till they release an XP compatible version of it ;-) BTW, the PIC 767 XP version runs flawlessly (same cockpit).

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10. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-11-02, 04:47z 

Hi Mike

>>a price I'm willing to pay for an extremely stable and reliable OS<<

I agree that XP is a big improvement for reliability, and I use it on my main flight PC. But I did have to keep Win98SE on my other machine as I found that the Reader for my digital camera wouldn't work on XP.

Do you have that problem in the States?

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11. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-11-02, 16:19z 

Hi Frank,

>>But I did have to keep Win98SE on my other machine as I
found that the Reader for my digital camera wouldn't work on XP.<<

Is this a problem you had right away, or did it work at one time, then go south? I ask because I had a problem where it worked, then stopped. I found a registry entry that fixed it right up. I'm not sure if it'll work if it's a driver issue though. Does XP at least recognize the camera as a mass storage device (hard drive)? If it is, we might be able to get it working with XP.

You *really* want it to work with XP and I'll tell you why. Along with XP's strong points of stability and reliability, is how it handles digital multimedia. I'm not sure what camera you have, but of the three I've owned, they all handle the files the same way, and are named with some alphanumeric gibberish in order. So, if you copy the pics to a folder on your HD it's fine, until you copy a new set of pics that are named the exact same way. If you try, it'll ask to overwrite the old pics which of course you don't want to do. Of course the way around that is to manually rename the original set so they don't have the same filenames. You probably also want to give them a descriptive name, so when your looking at a folder of pics, you know roughly what they're about. On my Olympus 3040zoom I have a 128meg smart media card for storage that can hold 163 hires pics. I wouldn't be a happy camper having to rename 163 pics in one go!

This is where XP shines with digital cameras. If XP recognizes your mass storage device as a camera, it starts the "Scanner and Camera" wizard. In the dialogs that follow, it asks, "what would you like to call this group of pictures?" Let's say you have vacation pics, and you want to call them vacation2002. As you type "vacation2002", you'll see that XP is automatically creating a folder called "vacation2002" under your "pictures" folder, and as it copies the pictures, each one is numbered sequentially vacation2002 001.jpg, vacation2002 002,.jpg, etc. There's also a checkbox asking if you want to delete the pics after copying them. No later when you have more pics to transfer (and want to call them the same thing), XP picks up where it left off in the numbering order. The whole process is pretty slick and VERY easy. My camera came with software that roughly approximates this, but it was much more difficult to use and didn't create folders on the fly.

Give me a shout via email if you want to try the registry fix, to see if it works with your camera. Also, let me know what model of camera you have, and I'll try to dig up an alternate fix if the registry thing doesn't work.


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12. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-11-02, 20:01z 

Hi Mike

Thanks for that full response. The strange thing is that before I asked my PC supplier to restore Win98 on my old PC I checked with the guy who supplied the camera as I knew he is a bit if a computer whiz. He told me that I wouldn't get XP to work with my Reader, as he had been through the same problem.

>>Is this a problem you had right away, or did it work at one time, then go south?<< It happened straight away. The reader is USB connected and the PC with XP just would not recognise it. Under Win98 it occupies its own drive, and appears in My Computer as Removable Disk Drive F.

>>Does XP at least recognize the camera as a mass storage device (hard drive)?<< Well , no. I never attach the camera to the computer. When I return with a disk full of pics I take it out of the camera and shove it into the reader and 'presto' all the files are there and I put them into a suitably named folder in Camedia Master and enjoy an immediate slideshow.

This is my first dgital camera and it is an Olympus C-2020 Z. I too use a 128MB Smartmedia card.

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14. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-11-02, 20:28z 

Hi Frank,

>>Well , no. I never attach the camera to the computer. When I
return with a disk full of pics I take it out of the camera and shove it
into the reader <<

Ahhh, ok. You said it, but I didn't read it...you're using a card reader. I don't have one, because I've always been happy to plug the camera in using the supplied USB cable. Besides, those smartmedia cards are rather fragile, and I want to reduce the risk of damaging it by leaving it in the camera. I suggest you try plugging the camera directly into the XP machine and see what happens. If it works, then bag the reader and install XP on that other rig. IMHO losing the card reader is a small price to pay for upgrading to XP. Just my 2 pennies worth <g>.

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15. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-12-02, 05:02z 

Hi Mike

>>I suggest you try plugging the camera directly into the XP machine and see what happens<< Good idea. I will after my next holiday, later this month.

I used to plug the camera into the computer but found that it was wasting the camera battery. Now I have got used to the reader I find it easier anyway.

All the best
Frank

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16. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-12-02, 05:37z 

Hi Frank,

>>I used to plug the camera into the computer but found that it was
wasting the camera battery. Now I have got used to the reader I find it
easier anyway.<<

I'm kind of a digital camera nut I guess. I'm not sure what the 2020 uses for batteries, but the 3040 uses 4 AAs. I have about a dozen metal hydride re-chargables, and a charger that holds 4. There are always 4 in the charger. Whenever, I go out with the camera, I *always* put 4 fresh ones in from the charger even if I only took one shot previously. That way, I never have had a problem of the batteries wearing out while shooting, or copying to the PC. Batteries are expensive too, and I figure by now I'm saving a fortune not buying "throw away" types.

Have you tried plugging the camera directly into the xp machine? What was the result? If successful, a small investment in a charger and some rechargeable batteries may be in order. Just so you know, I *have* tried the camedia software that came with my camera, and I think the XP way of doing things is *MUCH* easier. The camedia software is no longer installed on my machines ;-)/

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17. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-12-02, 19:07z 

Hi Mike

>>a small investment in a charger and some rechargeable batteries may be in order<< Yes, I already have them and do that.

>>I'm kind of a digital camera nut<< I'm not, but I've long since got fed up with heavy SLR's. Two of my daughters have benefitted from that :-). I just like the light weight and the simplicity, and an end to the albums full of photos one rarely looks at.

I will get a better one soon if only to get a longer focussing lens.

>>Have you tried plugging the camera directly into the xp machine?<< Not yet. I've been too busy making alterations to my study in readiness for the projector I shall be having installed soon.

Thanks for the input.

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18. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 flightplanner & panel"
07-14-02, 19:42z 

Having one, an odd problem, myself.

When I get the plane rolling down the runway in 2k2, it starts veering to the left. A little bit of rudder works on the problem, too heavy a touch and you have to correct back the other way to get centered. I am using a Thrustmaster Afterburner, and I just noticed this. I also installed a Logitech Wingman Extreme 3D on the same system, and it does not seem to have this problem.

Anyone else out there using that stick and/or having that problem?

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19. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 flightplanner & panel"
07-15-02, 05:48z 

Hello,
I aslo have the same but only on 2 engines aircrafts ( example DC3, DC2, ..) I have to adjust and sync the engines & trottle after all seams OK
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20. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 flightplanner & panel"
07-16-02, 08:10z 

This is happening on all planes. I probably should just uninstall and reinstall the joystick, get everything reset, but was curious whether I could get some other suggestions for solutions. (Not a fan of, but am amazed at, the number of things that can/have to be fixed by uninstall/reinstall...)

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21. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-17-02, 03:06z 

Emile:

In previous versions of FS, you could "fix" these non-centering control problems by renaming the FS200x.cfg file and letting the program generate a new one. I'm not sure if the settings for center are still kept in this file, but it's easy to try and see.

The other "solution" for offset neutral points was to use the centering utility that Sticky wrote. I believe he still has it available on his site http://www.stickworks.com

The name of the util was jcenter or something like that.

Hope this helps!

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23. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-17-02, 16:11z 

Hi Ben, Emile,

> In previous versions of FS, you could "fix" these non-centering control
> problems by renaming the FS200x.cfg file and letting the program
> generate a new one. I'm not sure if the settings for center are still
> kept in this file, but it's easy to try and see.

Centre positions never were kept by Windows' versions of FS -- that's completely in Windows "game controllers" court.

> The other "solution" for offset neutral points was to use the centering
> utility that Sticky wrote. I believe he still has it available on his
> site http://www.stickworks.com

Another possible solution if you are using FSUIPC is to set the centre explicitly in the FSUIPC joystick section. This is a numerical method and operates on the final figures inside FS, not on the actual joysticks. You can set the centre wherever you like, in fact, and make a "dead zone" around it so the vagaries of self-centering springs are catered for too.

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24. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-17-02, 20:16z 

Hi Pete,

Glad you chipped in with that one mate as I had totally forgot about that method <s>

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25. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-18-02, 09:12z 

Hi Pete,

Glad you chipped in with that one mate as I had totally forgot about that method <s>

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27. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-28-02, 20:00z 

I was running into the Windows Human Interface Device approach, and discovering it is not all that intuitive to solve. How do you do the FSUIPC thing?

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28. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-28-02, 23:18z 

Hi TD,

> I was running into the Windows Human Interface Device approach, and
> discovering it is not all that intuitive to solve. How do you do the
> FSUIPC thing?

What "FSUIPC thing" is that? Do you mean centering and more precise dead zones on joysticks? Isn't the user documentation clear enough? (If I knew how to explain it better I would have done so there).

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29. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-30-02, 06:54z 

Pete,

I was unaware of the docs included, guess I should have looked before asking. One question that does come to mind after reading them, or more accurately, skimming and opening the FSUIPC window in FS2k2, is "how do you tell what position your stick is in now?" My Thrustmaster Afterburner appears to be slightly off-center with its normal "at-rest" position, and I would rather set that than try to fight it each time using the Human Interface Device and Thrustmaster software (which is a lot less readable/usable than your documentation).

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30. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-30-02, 11:02z 

Hi TD,

> One question that does come to mind after reading them, or more
> accurately, skimming and opening the FSUIPC window in FS2k2, is "how do
> you tell what position your stick is in now?"

You look at it and see where it is <G> (Sorry about that) .... As far as what *values* it is inputting to FS, you can see those in the FSUIPC dialogue. When you start the FSUIPC calibration process you will see the INPUT value and the (processed) output value. For centering axes like aileron, elevator and rudder, center should be giving 0 in FS. If it's a little off (up to several hundred) I wouldn't worry, just set the centre dead zone to include it. most joysticks I know will actually give different readings for "centre" each time to let it return there, so waggle it about and let the spring centre it several times, so you can judge the variation and set a bigger dead zone.

If the centre is way off on the original inputs, this may result in you getting less resolution in one direction than the other. That is usually the result of some trim wheel or setting on the device itself, or the pot inside not being positioned correctly --I remember the Thrustmaster pedals which were (still are?) notorious for the pot moving in its fitting.

But if it's only a little off, I wouldn't worry about it. The range used inside FS is -16383 to +16383, but the resolution of a pot isn't anything like that. You'll be doing well to get a resolution better than 50 separately measurable positions, and realistically I'd expect one "notch" to be well over 100 of FS's units, so the centre dead zone can probably be set quite wide without losing much and still give you are safe consistent centre.

Anyway, it's easy enough to experiment with yourself.

Regards,

Pete

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22. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-17-02, 13:46z 

Hi TD,

Can't remember if this works or not but in the FS2002.cfg file scroll down it till you come to the joystick section at the bottom. Highlight all entries and delete it. Restart fs2002 and check if it has sorted it?!

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26. "RE: Interesting problem with fs2k2 ..."
07-20-02, 19:23z 

Okay. I can do this the next time I start to have problems. I tried the uninstall/reinstall thing, and it seems to be working the way I need it to at the moment. How do you do the FSUIPC trick?

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